利用者‐会話:Yapparina

Deleting files that are also on Commons

Hi! I see that you help delete files that are also on Commons. I can see that there are a lot of files in Category:コモンズへの移動により即時削除対象となったファイル. Is there anything we can do to make it easier for you to delete the files? --MGA73（会話） 2020年7月26日 (日) 10:38 (UTC)[返信]

Hi. I have no idea. The speedy deletion of "ファイル1-5" needs for administrators to check whether the file is imported appropriately. I think this task have to be done manually one by one. Even if the task can be automated, I don't know that page deletion can be done by bot. Anyway, I will talk with ja-wikipedia community about this issue. --Yapparina（会話） 2020年7月26日 (日) 12:24 (UTC)[返信]

One request for you. Strictly speaking, the speedy deletion of "ファイル1-5" requires that you must inform the original uploaders of that you have exported the files to Commons and you have requested the speedy deletion. Can you let all the original uploaders know it on their talk pages? --Yapparina（会話） 2020年7月26日 (日) 12:36 (UTC)[返信]

Hi! It is possible to delete files with a bot. But it should only be done if the files have been checked.

I prepare the files before I move them to Commons. I move them with FileImporter so all information is copied to Commons. Also old versions of file history.

I have checked if the uploaders are still active. 2 uploaders have not edited on Wikipedia for many years and one that is still active said Yes please for me to move the files to Commons. So I thought that a single massage to the uploaders would be enough? --MGA73（会話） 2020年7月26日 (日) 19:06 (UTC)[返信]

For example Bakkai have not edited since 2011. I wrote a message here 利用者‐会話:Bakkai#Moving_files_to_Commons. --MGA73（会話） 2020年7月26日 (日) 19:12 (UTC)[返信]

Tokatsu Kokubu have not edited since 2009 so I did not write a message there. I Can write later. I’m on my phone. Too many typos :-( --MGA73（会話） 2020年7月26日 (日) 19:23 (UTC)[返信]

I made the notice here: 利用者‐会話:Tokatsu_Kokubu#Moving_files_to_Commons.

The discussion with Qwert1234 can be seen here: 利用者‐会話:Qwert1234#GFDL_and_Commons. --MGA73（会話） 2020年7月26日 (日) 20:32 (UTC)[返信]

All right, I confirmed your notices. Thanks. Please note the the notice is necessary regardless the uploader is active or no-active. I have opened the discussion about this issue on Wikipedia:井戸端/subj/Botで大量にコモンズへ移動された画像のファイル1-5による即時削除への対応について. --Yapparina（会話） 2020年7月26日 (日) 23:23 (UTC)[返信]

Thank you!

No problem with notices. I will just make notices regardless if uploader is active or not.

Could I ask you to take a look at Template‐ノート:NowCommons#Suggest_2_new_links? I would like to put files with the same name on ja.wikipedia and Commons in one category and the files with a different name in another category. It is much easier to delete files with the same name because you do not have to worry if all usage have been changed. I do not speak Japanese so I do not know if Google Translate gave me a good suggestion for a name for categories.

I have created redirects on Commons for most of the files where the name is not the same. That should reduce the risk of errors if the local file is still in use when deleted.

As for the license update of GFDL I was the one that relicensed most of the files on Commons and English Wikipedia so I have fixed perhaps 800,000 files. But I do have a question about the disclaimers at Template‐ノート:GFDL#Subject_to_disclaimers_-_what_is_the_status. Perhaps you can help there too? I think that it should be possible to fix most of the license update with a bot. But if the files are moved to Commons then the problem will of course also be solved :-) --MGA73（会話） 2020年7月27日 (月) 07:46 (UTC)[返信]

If you would like to automate the deletion of files that have been moved to Commons it might be a good idea to either

add a template like en:Template:Keep local or to
change NowCommons so it is possible to mark files where uploader want to keep the file.

I changed the template on lv.wiki (lv:Veidne:NowCommons) so it looks like this:

This file can be deleted: lv:Attēls:Aģe pie Zvejniekciema.jpg
This file should be kept: lv:Attēls:Krisjanis Barons grave.JPG

Notice the file that should be kept show this icon File:Fairytale_Trash_No.svg and the files go in a separate category. The category is still red because I asked someone if they liked the idea but they have not replied yet. And I do not speak the language so it is Google Translated category name. --MGA73（会話） 2020年7月28日 (火) 14:06 (UTC)[返信]

I made a suggestion at Template‐ノート:NowCommons#Files_that_user_requested_to_keep. I need help with the category names etc. And you are of course very welcome to comment. --MGA73（会話） 2020年7月30日 (木) 18:29 (UTC)[返信]

Hi! While we wait for the bot to finish working on the GFDL files perhaps you could have a look at my suggestion at the NowCommons template? The "Category:Keep local same name" and "Category:Keep local other name" should be translated to Japanese. Or perhaps its enough just to have 1 "Category:Keep local". Instead of the short version "Keep local" it is of course okay to chose a more descriptive name like "Files on Commons where it has been requested not to delete the local file". --MGA73（会話） 2020年8月16日 (日) 12:44 (UTC)[返信]

In the first place, Japanese Wikipedia dose not have the policy that exclude the speedy deletion of copied file in accordance with the uploader's personal request. Off course, legal issue can be the reason that the file is excluded from speedy deletion. Therefore, if you want to separate such files from other speedy deletion candidates, you need to propose it and make the change on the speedy deletion policy (WP:CSD). --Yapparina（会話） 2020年8月16日 (日) 15:06 (UTC)[返信]

Hmmm. Thank you. I thought there was such a policy and that is the reason why {{NowCommons}} alone is not a good reason to delete. Any other wiki I know delete files once a NowCommons is added. For example almost all files uploaded by Saigen Jiro are moved to Commons (about 1,150 files) but user asked that files were not deleted. Anyway if there is no such policy I will not suggest to make one. Because it makes my work easier if files are deleted :-) --MGA73（会話） 2020年8月16日 (日) 16:28 (UTC)[返信]

Non-free files

Hi!

The templates {{self屋外美術}} and {{屋外美術}} are used to files that shows a copyrighted work. The files are placed in Category:屋外美術を含む画像.

The files are not actually free so I think that having them on ja.wiki is a bit similar to fair use. Therefore I think that files should be deleted if they are not in use.

I made this list on files not used in articles. I do not know how it works on ja.wiki but perhaps you could have a look and see if you also think that the files should be deleted?

Do you know if there are other categories with non-free files? --MGA73（会話） 2020年8月1日 (土) 11:37 (UTC)[返信]

ファイル:Bandicam 2016-09-29 14-12-25-665.jpg is this allowed on ja.wiki? --MGA73（会話） 2020年8月1日 (土) 11:44 (UTC)[返信]

Category:日本ではパブリックドメインにあり、米国でパブリックドメインにない画像 is another category for non-free files. It contains pictures that are public domain in Japan law but still copyrighted in US law.

ファイル:Bandicam 2016-09-29 14-12-25-665.jpg is a complicated case. The author of the file stated in Twitter that the picture can be used in Wikipedia, but did not say which license is applied. --Yapparina（会話） 2020年8月1日 (土) 12:46 (UTC)[返信]

Thank you! Okay if the file is free in Japan I think it is okay to keep them here on ja.wiki. There are other wikis that have files like that.

So I would only worry about the files in the first category. But since I do not speak Japanese I do not really want to spend a lot of time trying to fingure out how to nominate them for deletion. --MGA73（会話） 2020年8月1日 (土) 14:25 (UTC)[返信]

No source category

Hi! This category Category:機械的に読み取れる出典がないファイル can be deleted. The files are now in Category:機械的に読み取れる情報源がないファイル.

There are 2 images that seems to be in the category. But that is just because the files are not updated. If you open the file, click edit and save without changing anything then the category should be updated.--MGA73（会話） 2020年8月3日 (月) 14:43 (UTC)[返信]

Hi! Are the 2 files in the category still needed? And is there still a reason that they are protected? If not perhaps you could nominate them for deletion or remove the protection. --MGA73（会話） 2020年8月14日 (金) 14:06 (UTC)[返信]

To do on GFDL project

1) Hi! ファイル:Railstar logo.jpg is protected. Can you unprotect it or fix it? --MGA73（会話） 2020年8月16日 (日) 17:12 (UTC)[返信]

I did. It's now unprotected. -Yapparina（会話） 2020年8月16日 (日) 21:32 (UTC)[返信]

Thank you! --MGA73（会話） 2020年8月17日 (月) 06:52 (UTC)[返信]

2) These files are uploaded after August 1, 2009 so they are special in relation to the license update:

I think the "problems" have been solved on Commons. Some are marked as "not-eligible" on Commons. In other cases the solution was to split up the files on Commons so old version has one file name and new version have another file name. And in some cases the file has just been cropped or edited a bit. I do not think the changes are so big that it qualify for a new copyright.

So in short I think the local files can be deleted. But I list them here because I think they need an admin that speaks English and also know about the license update. So if you have time it would be nice if you could check and delete. If you have questions just ask! --MGA73（会話） 2020年8月17日 (月) 14:44 (UTC)[返信]

3) Also Template:Cc-by-sa-3.0-migrated put files in Category:クリエイティブ・コモンズ表示 - 継承 3.0の画像. If you think it should in a sub category like on Commons c:Category:CC-BY-SA-3.0-migrated perhaps you can find a name and change the template? --MGA73（会話） 2020年8月17日 (月) 15:08 (UTC)[返信]

4) I noticed ファイル:JNR EC Tc103-840.jpg. Is the deleted file the same as the current version? Just higher res? --MGA73（会話） 2020年8月18日 (火) 07:29 (UTC)[返信]

5) There are no more files in Category:GFDL画像 and that means that all the files that needs to be changed to GFDL-ja have been changed. Unless there are som files licensed GFDL that are not in that category. But we can fix that if/when we find that.

So now you can move {{GFDL}} to {{GFDL-ja}}. I made a few changes in the template.

a) I added the files to another category so that files with disclaimers go in another category than those without disclaimers. I will let you decide if we need a separate category.

b) I also added some code for license migration so it works with the "migration=relicense" that is used on en.wiki and Commons. It works. Sort of. There are some problems if the license is used in a {{self}}. So to fix it we need some code and templates from en.wiki for example en:Template:License migration. I do not think that we need all the templates. I would for example just move those that is "migration=not-eligible" to Commons and delete the file locally. So it should be enough to put them the right category without adding a template.

Once you have moved the template I will start on step 3 5. --MGA73（会話） 2020年8月18日 (火) 08:32 (UTC)[返信]

I meant step 5 :-) I think you can also do step 3. --MGA73（会話） 2020年8月18日 (火) 08:35 (UTC)[返信]

6) As mentioned on Template‐ノート:GFDL-ja#Subject_to_disclaimers_-_what_is_the_status we are now ready to change {{self}}. --MGA73（会話） 2020年8月18日 (火) 20:13 (UTC)[返信]

Great! Now all the problems with disclaimers are fixed. Only issue is if some of the files should not have had disclaimers in the first place. Unless I can get a clear answer that "Files uploaded before/after <some date> should not have disclaimers" then I will not change anything. Thanks for the help! It will make things so much easier that GFDL=GFDL and GFDL-ja=GFDL-ja. --MGA73（会話） 2020年8月19日 (水) 13:28 (UTC)[返信]

License update

Hi! I made a suggestion at Wikipedia‐ノート:ライセンス更新#Suggest_to_use_same_code_as_on_Commons,_en.wiki_etc.. I should probably make an announcement like you did on Wikipedia:お知らせ#Template:GFDLにおける日本語版独自文言の除去について before the suggestion can be legally considered as valid. But I do not speak Japanese. Perhaps you could help me announce it with a short summary in Japanese? --MGA73（会話） 2020年8月22日 (土) 12:26 (UTC)[返信]

I posted on Wikipedia:お知らせ#License_update_of_files_from_2009_and_before and since its just a link I think it will do :-) --MGA73（会話） 2020年8月24日 (月) 09:22 (UTC)[返信]

アイディア・表現二分論の書誌情報不備について

済み

当該記事に訂正を反映完了のため。--ProfessorPine（会話） 2020年8月24日 (月) 02:38 (UTC)[返信]

Yapparinaさん、ご無沙汰しております。以前執筆にご協力頂いた「アイディア・表現二分論」ですが、現在私の方で加筆中でして全体ブラッシュアップを図っておりましたところ、1点出典の不明点が見つかりました。万年カレンダー事件で使用しているジュリストの判例百選なのですが、西井氏の執筆パートのみ、書誌情報が第4版 (2009年) ではなく第6版 (2019年) になっています。下書き Special:Diff/79176918に{{信頼性要検証}}を貼り付けた箇所です。こちらは第4版に訂正してよろしいでしょうか？お手数ですが、ご確認よろしくお願いします。当会話ページにご回答頂きましたら、私の方で下書きを表に反映させるタイミングで、ついでに修正をかけておきます。 --ProfessorPine（会話） 2020年8月23日 (日) 10:17 (UTC)[返信]

こんにちはー。↓の出典のことですか。

<ref name="西井2019">{{Cite book|和書|title=別冊ジュリスト 198号 著作権判例百選 |chapter=2 アイディアと表現の区別 |pages=6–7 |edition=第6版 |author=西井志織 |editor=小泉直樹・田村善之・駒田泰土・上野達弘 |publisher=有斐閣 |year=2019 |isbn=978-4-641-11542-2 }}</ref>

加筆したときに第4版も第6版も使用して、その部分は実際に第6版を使ったからそう書いてあるだけですよ。だから訂正しなくて大丈夫ですよ。気になるなら、Amazonの試し読みで目次が見れてページ数、事件名、著者名が確認できるんで見てみてください。--Yapparina（会話） 2020年8月23日 (日) 10:32 (UTC)[返信]

上述のコードですが、「198号」「2019年の第6版」になっているのですが、198号は第6版ではなく第4版なので、書誌情報がごっちゃになっていて訂正が必要です。西井氏の執筆内容が第4版と第6版で全く同じでしたでしょうか？もしそうなら、新しい第6版で書誌情報を統一しようと思います。--ProfessorPine（会話） 2020年8月23日 (日) 11:13 (UTC)[返信]

ああ、なるほど、198号が間違いで、242号が正です。著作権判例百選って、版が違うと内容が一新されるタイプの書籍なので、第4版にその出典としている内容は存在しません。記事の方も直しておきました[1]。--Yapparina（会話） 2020年8月23日 (日) 12:03 (UTC)[返信]

訂正内容、確認しました。ありがとうございます。私の方では先ほど、EU・フランス・イギリスのパートを全面加筆しました。後ほどGA選考に出してみようかなと思っています。--ProfessorPine（会話） 2020年8月24日 (月) 02:38 (UTC)[返信]

保護解除後荒らされています。

以前に、保護された、原田おさむのページですが、保護解除後すぐ荒らされているようです。大滝エージェンシー（会話） 2020年8月26日 (水) 11:45 (UTC)[返信]

ファイル:Japan map.png

Hi! I noticed that ファイル:Japan map.png and many other files use {{Japan map}}. According to Google Translation it seems like the file is licensed GFDL but for some reason it does not include the license template {{GFDL}}.

I can see that there have been a long discussion about the file and the license but Google Translate does not translate correct so sometimes it makes no sense.

The way I see it there are 2 options:

The file is NOT licensed GFDL and the file does therefore not have a valid license. That means the file and all the 4,000 files that are made based on the file should be deleted.
The file IS licensed GFDL and the file does therefore have a valid license. We should add a formal license tak and we just have to find out if the file has disclaimers or not. I see no disclaimers mentioned so I would choose {{GFDL}} and not {{GFDL-ja}}.

I have made room on Commons so ファイル:Japan map.png can be moved to c:File:Japan map.png. There is a redirect there atm. but that can be deleted. But I will not move the file unless I'm sure it has a valid license. --MGA73（会話） 2020年8月30日 (日) 10:28 (UTC)[返信]

私の会話ページで同様の質問があったため、Wikipedia:利用案内#Template:Japan mapとTemplate:World mapの意味合いにて提起しました。議論が拡散しないよう、こちらにてお知らせいたします。--ネイ（会話） 2020年9月5日 (土) 07:41 (UTC)[返信]

Deleting files with a bot

Hi! I can see that there are some discussions about deleting files with a bot. Let me know if you think I can do anything to make it easier. --MGA73（会話） 2020年9月16日 (水) 19:24 (UTC)[返信]

Hi! I see that the bot has deleted some files. But it is skipping some files mentioned on 利用者:SeitenBot2/即時削除を見送ったファイル. Do you know if admins will delete the files or what will happen? --MGA73（会話） 2020年10月13日 (火) 19:01 (UTC)[返信]

Category:即時削除対象のページ

Hi! I noticed that there are many files in that category. I wonder if it is because admins are busy with other things or it is because admins do not agree with deletion. I noticed some files are marked for deletion because of "no source". On Commons we have kept some old files with for example {{PD-self}} unless we have reason to suspect that they were not own work. So if you think the files should not be deleted we can perhaps keep some of them. --MGA73（会話） 2020年9月25日 (金) 17:31 (UTC)[返信]